Krebs Cast #21
Tenofovir abuse, USE CONDOMS ASSHOLES!!! Twinkie Tiramisu and expand your horizons!
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Krebs Cast #21
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Krebs Cast #21
posted by Adam at 10:51 PM
16 Comments:
Such descriptive language you used! And you make a good point.
I often ask myself why this is such a hard thing for people to wrap thier minds around:
Unprotected sex + HIV + false security (Tenofovir) + club mentality/tweaking = DEATH.
But even more accountable are the doctors that only think of the kickbacks they get from the pharmaceutical megacorps everytime they write an Rx for the drug of the day.
You mentioned that nature has a way of working around roadblocks...
Perhaps Humanity is itself becoming a roadblock?
I hope not. But going off of observable conditions, it looks like we are heading down that path.
Hey Adam:
Thanks for the comment on Lucky Bitch Radio about my interview with her. I look forwarding to checking your show as well!
Damn boy. You got preachy for this podcast! I like when you get preachy.
You made some very good points. You definitely have every reason to rail against barebacking.
I admire your courage for sharing about your personal loss and your conviction to try to do something about it.
Hey, what's the deal with the Bearfest in Dallas this week?
Suicide Bummers.
Adam, first, what are your sources of information? Is this really happening? It strains the boundaries of credibility.
I get around a lot and know people who do drugs, and I have yet to witness any evidence of street-level tenofivir contraband, at least here in Dallas.
Maybe there's a whole other level of depravity of which I am unaware, but I doubt it.
I have a prescription for tenofavir myself, as part of my HIV therapy, and believe me, it is not cheap. I think it's over $1000, maybe more, for a month's supply. So it's hard for me to believe that there would be any profit in marketing it as a club drug.
Secondly, are there really people out there who are so stupid that they would think a single pill would protect them from HIV? If so, well, I won't even go there.
And thirdly, no accredited doctor would do this. All the doctors I know have struggled mightily to get where they are, and they are well-financed, and they have no financial motive to fake prescriptions.
There's enough hysteria out there already about meth and unprotected sex, and it is all very confusing. It is difficult enough now to sort fact from fiction. Let's not add to the confusion by introducing yet another rumor.
The facts are that people will have sex. And people will do drugs. And people who do drugs will have sex.
I would rather focus on the things we can do something about--free and easy access to condoms, a continued effort toward education and enlightenment starting at the grade-school level, and of course...
...a societal swing toward the acceptance of gay marriage and allowing gay men and women to love each other and to bond to one another in an atmosphere that is absent of fear and guilt.
That's the gay world I want; and I think that's the gay world you want, too. I hope that's the world we all want.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35200
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5246856
This will I will also scan and post the article from Out magazine. I think its important everyone read it.
Err I meant "This week I will...."
Go get 'em Adam, I agree.
Sad to think there are people this irresponsible and destructive but alas you can meet them in any club in Dallas, I now I've run into my share.
Blunt, informative and to the point. BRAVO>
richwhiteboy
Your reaction doesn't surprise me. We would all rather believe it isn't true.
There are a number of credible sources of information about this behavior.
According to the NPR article, 7% of Gay men surveyed at Pride have 'taken a T'.
There ARE accredited doctors doing this - listen to the NPR interview with Dr Marc Conant (linked above).
His patients are REFUSING to have safer sex, so he's prescribing Tenofovir to try and limit the impact of this irresponsible behavior.
No amount of free condoms are going to stop this behavior - this is a deliberate choice, not something caused by a lack of safer alternatives.
Sadly, for as long as we're busy killing ourselves and each other, we are likely to lose any battles for equality - we have to get our own house in order first.
I'm glad you've waking up... join us in the Willing Warrior forum - forum.willingwarrior.com - and let's start to think about how we can deal with this within our own community.
Well, looks like this is going on out there. Sorry to doubt you--I'm so used to all the exaggerated HIV hysteria that I've just stopped listening to a lot of it.
Have you the read the news today? AP is reporting that new studies are indicating that tenofavir might really work to block the virus from reproducing to people who are newly infected.
Now I'm really confused.
richwhiteboy,
The world of HIV/AIDS *is* confusing -there's so much new information being published it's hard to keep up with it.
The barebacking misuse most likely started when news of trials of a *potential* prophylactic application for Tenofovir hit the press last year. I suspect someone saw an opportunity to make extra money on the drug deals they were already doing.
It has *not* been proved safe or effective, and it might take years to go through all the trials.
Until then, the message is the same as it's been for the last ~25 years: 'use a condom'.
Any other behavior is definitely dicing with death - please do your bit to spread the word.
tp
I finally got to liesten to this tonight and then as luck would have it I was reading aon issue of OUT that had been in my drawer for over a month and there it was in print.
Amazing what people will do for a flash of pleasure. Truly amazing...and CRAZY. Why put your life in jeopardy over a 10 second orgasm?
You said it and you said it well my friend.
another link for you, adam
http://www.cnn.com/2006/HEALTH/conditions/03/28/clinton.aids/index.html
This seems a bit over the top. There are gay men who are going to have anal sex without condoms. I'm sure doctors are prescribing it. It is a choice for the physician, but I'm not familiar enough with the Hippocratic oath to know if physicians are supposed to weigh societal interests ahead of the patient. Also, I'm sure the doctors who do prescribe it must disclose that it is not proven to be an effective prophylactic. I'm not trying to minimize the horrific nature of this situation, but I think all sides need to be represented, and not as straw men.
Also, there is something very sexist in my opinion about saying anal sex is inherently humiliating...very Catherine MacKinnon. Also, I think it's interesting that one of the links tries to point to the death of one of the AIDS detractors as a logical point saying that Kramer was correct (logic just doesn't work like that).
Also, I seriously contest your assertion of the drug companies being martyrs who are just trying to "save lives". If you do your history on AZT and other medications you'll see that the history is very shady. So, I don't think we should be giving big pharmaceuticals a PR boost that they most certainly don't deserve.
Part of the confusion probably results as well from large efforts by public health agencies to get HIV-negative men to take these drugs for studies. Heck, I get stopped on the street probably once a week to see if I'll take a cocktail for some experiment.
And one last point. People who take the drugs will experience the serious side effects. I don't think it's a bad idea if someone wants to be a bug chaser that they should initially go on HIV meds to see if the side effects are really that minimal. However, it probably wouldn't work because they probably wouldn't abstain from unsafe sex during this period.
I'd like to reiterate that I think your thoughts and opinions are very valid, but I think it's more complex than you are admitting.
Much respect.
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